Chat History with basekamp/$f150c0fed29a73c1" title="#basekamp/$f150c0fed29a73c1">Homeworks Forum http://www.basekamp.com/about/events/homeworks-forum (#basekamp/$f150c0fed29a73c1)

Created on 2010-04-27 21:45:05.

2010-04-27

BASEKAMP team: 18:06:40

hey everyone... we're running a few mins behind

BASEKAMP team: 18:06:42

LOLs

BASEKAMP team: 18:07:16

Stephen just texted, says they're on their way & we shoud give em 10 mins (or so)

Maria Kelley: 18:07:32

hello

BASEKAMP team: 18:07:37

             

Maria Kelley: 18:07:54

alright alright..  lol

BASEKAMP team: 18:08:09

woot

BASEKAMP team: 18:08:11

hi mom

Maria Kelley: 18:09:17

hi Scott!  

Maria Kelley: 18:12:08

my mic isn't working.  

BASEKAMP team: 18:12:13

'sok

BASEKAMP team: 18:12:24

you can just liten if you want... and type in here

Maria Kelley: 18:12:58

okay, sounds good.  hope I can hear something.  nothing yet.

BASEKAMP team: 18:13:12

haven;t started yet

Maria Kelley: 18:13:17

oh, hehe

Maria Kelley: 18:13:39

well, that would make all the difference!  

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:00

so we're looking @ the Ashkal Alwan site now, while we wait for the Beiruit-ers to join

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:05

how's everyone doing?

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:17

not *everyone*... ;0 how are you all doing?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:16:51

hi all - can you post the url? thanks!

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:13

oh snap http://www.ashkalalwan.org/

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:34

specific infos about tonight http://basekamp.com/about/events/homeworks-forum

Maria Kelley: 18:17:46

I'm doing well.  no sound on my end yet.

BASEKAMP team: 18:18:29

hi Stephen, Nato & Greg!

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:00

it's a beautiful breezy day in Phildelphia... a few people here right now, more walking in

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:16

but maybe we shuld get this party started since you guys are calling from 1am >

gregory sholette: 18:19:16

And Judi Werthein

gregory sholette: 18:19:23

yes yes yes

gregory sholette: 18:19:43

can you add rashasalti

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:56

yes, but... i don't have the contact here

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:20:53

bummer stf cant catch a break

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:06

can you pass the skypename our way?

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:14

Sean ?

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:24

break?  

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:21:33

Stefpasquini.com is using an older version of Skype that does not support multi-person chats and therefore can't join

BASEKAMP team: 18:21:48

ohhhh.. but looks like she's in now, no?

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:21:57

really? I thought I was up to date

BASEKAMP team: 18:22:00

well.. let's try

BASEKAMP team: 18:22:12

sometimes skype gives us random errors that don't not suck

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:22:23

I'm in the chat, I'm not in the call though

gregory sholette: 18:22:30

ok lets go

BASEKAMP team: 18:22:48

right, we haven't started yet. do we need 1 more person on your end?

gregory sholette: 18:23:00

look likes shes asleep!!

gregory sholette: 18:23:14

It's late here

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:17

yeah, we can get started & add her later ---- ah, that'd xplain it!

gregory sholette: 18:23:22

call us

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:23

ok, calling now

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:39

welcome so welcome Stephen Wright, Greg Scholette, Nato Thompson, Judi Werthein in Beirut

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:24:08

wow, that was amazing

Maria Kelley: 18:24:16

Maria here

Maria Kelley: 18:24:21

just listening

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 18:29:30

i'm listening and its clear

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:29:50

sound's good here in italy

Maria Kelley: 18:30:10

I'm listening and the sound is very clear

Maria Kelley: 18:30:31

how's the weather in Italy?

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:30:44

getting warmer!

Maria Kelley: 18:31:15

cool!  lol

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:32:04

although i am about to fall asleep (nothing to do with you guys - i'm overworked lately!)

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:32:29

it's 12,30 am here

Maria Kelley: 18:32:31

I can relate.  

Maria Kelley: 18:32:33

wow!

BASEKAMP team: 18:32:44

Nato, Theresa says "yo whatsup!"

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:32:51

much later in beirut!

Maria Kelley: 18:33:11

I'm in Georgia, USA   It's 6:30 PM here

BASEKAMP team: 18:33:19

                                                                                         

Maria Kelley: 18:33:31

Beirut!  wow!!!

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:33:32

BASEKAMP team: 18:33:58

BASEKAMP team: 18:36:35

aharon add you to the call now

BASEKAMP team: 18:39:03

aharon

BASEKAMP team: 18:39:42

can you type the names of the artists in?

Aharon: 18:39:59

hiyas!

BASEKAMP team: 18:46:11

we're looking @ http://balkansproject.ips-dc.org/?page_id=145 Judi... do you think this is a good place to get a sense of some of what you're talking about?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:47:03

basekamp can you call me in again? I had to cut out for a bit, thanks

BASEKAMP team: 18:47:13

salem yea --- calling u again

gregory sholette: 18:47:13

www.ciacentro.org

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:47:43

ty

BASEKAMP team: 18:47:53

np >

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:49:21

aaawwww

Maria Kelley: 18:49:27

awww..  that's so sweet!

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:35

you guys are gonna love that we're looking at the site through GOOGLE TRANSLATE!

BASEKAMP team: 18:50:07

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alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:50:13

oh no remix sound happening

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:50:28

better

BASEKAMP team: 18:50:30

oops.. better

Maria Kelley: 18:50:31

sound is mixed, can't understand

BASEKAMP team: 18:50:32

k

Maria Kelley: 18:50:40

better

gregory sholette: 18:51:24

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Aharon: 18:52:03

sounds like us army lingo of good/bad guys..? m looking for the uglies.. (where's the mirrir? )

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:52:15

Nato - is that because it's in Beirut?

BASEKAMP team: 18:52:25

like the dark side & the jedi

Aharon: 18:52:36

who paid their flights?

BASEKAMP team: 18:53:21

we got you photo

BASEKAMP team: 18:53:43

           

BASEKAMP team: 18:53:51

we need greg in the photo

BASEKAMP team: 18:54:04

behind the pic

BASEKAMP team: 18:54:26

ok, we see you in the reflection in the beer bottle Greg

Aharon: 18:56:55

so.. what kind of !="academy" is it?

Maria Kelley: 18:56:57

sound is bad again  : -(

BASEKAMP team: 18:57:18

oops!

BASEKAMP team: 18:57:36

the sound is much better!

BASEKAMP team: 18:57:42

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:57:44

yep

gregory sholette: 18:57:44

call us back

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:57:45

Perhaps a later ? -- is the work that people brought there reflecting that same kind of "warring/disaster area tourism" that is bringing lots of interest to the "novelty" of art in beirut? & can those who have been in this situation as observers/participants reflect upon this?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:57:51

later after the call comes back and all that was just said is repeated of course

Aharon: 18:57:53

plus why is it that the speaker sounds so sourprised about capital checking hip "new" locals?

BASEKAMP team: 18:57:58

hey guys, looks like wireless dropped here for a secccccc

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:05

calling bak]

Maria Kelley: 18:58:20

i can hear

eanstoops" title="seanstoops">Sean Stoops: 18:58:42

OK I hear loud and clear!

tefpasquini" title="stefpasquini">Stefpasquini.com: 18:58:48

me 2

Maria Kelley: 18:59:02

m3

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 18:59:10

interesting point, stephen!

BASEKAMP team: 18:59:17

"it's like it really mattered... it's as if art actually had a role in the production of the public sphere.."

Aharon: 18:59:19

what kind of "art" is "art" practice in beirut?

Aharon: 19:01:03

examples of discussion topics..?

Maria Kelley: 19:02:38

oh, let's hope not

BASEKAMP team: 19:02:39

LOLLOLOLOLOsssss

Aharon: 19:02:58

any concrete examples of what he said? (the allah guy..)

Aharon: 19:03:37

what is "art power"??

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:05:03

so the students that we're talking about are teenagers? did I get that right? that's really interesting

gregory sholette: 19:05:13

http://www.ashkalalwan.org/ the homeworkw forum program is on the site

BASEKAMP team: 19:05:19

haha greg!

BASEKAMP team: 19:05:24

(photo)

BASEKAMP team: 19:06:13

hi megfrisch!

Meg Frisch: 19:06:20

Waves!

BASEKAMP team: 19:06:31

you have headphones at the UX conference? or text-only?

Meg Frisch: 19:06:41

UX show & tell I have headphones

BASEKAMP team: 19:06:45

                                                           

Meg Frisch: 19:06:46

I can keep one ear in & one ear out.

BASEKAMP team: 19:07:06

so add you to the audio right (megrfrisch)?

BASEKAMP team: 19:07:37

assuming yes

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:08:59

that's interesting - the idea that a leader would be talking about a difference between "popular" & "elite" culture, not at all an American idea

BASEKAMP team: 19:09:04

stephen  

Aharon: 19:10:31

hills.. and sea..

Aharon: 19:11:13

good point - salem!

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:12:47

that's a really good point - & think of that in terms of the difference between elite culture and other cultures

Aharon: 19:12:53

r u saying they were all educated by ralph nader..?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:13:10

(point that Judi made about artists being educated outside of region)

Aharon: 19:13:30

yup.. a bad smile re that..

Aharon: 19:14:31

the binary though, of elite vs popular is also interesting because it it a western construct - by enlarge - however it is bloody usefyl for control..

Aharon: 19:15:41

does not feel set???!!! maybe it is set - but not feeling like..?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:16:26

that's amazing, so then almost all decisions are in flux - talk about powerful lobbyists!

Aharon: 19:16:31

are these religious - or tribal groups..?

BASEKAMP team: 19:17:21

how much money does Homeworks cost do you think?

BASEKAMP team: 19:17:35

sounded like a prety large event

Meg Frisch: 19:18:09

mm lost connection...

Aharon: 19:18:25

in what way, stephen, are these art works, like in home-works - are not symbolic..?

BASEKAMP team: 19:19:45

hilarious!

BASEKAMP team: 19:19:51

it's like las vegas

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:19:59

but could you have gay sex with a bear and some beers on the sides of tanks?

BASEKAMP team: 19:20:23

salem you can totally do that in philadelphia

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:20:25

thanks for answering my very important questions

BASEKAMP team: 19:20:27

minus the tanks

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:20:28

haha

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:20:44

no

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:20:51

we hope you're all wearing pants

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:20:54

hi good!

BASEKAMP team: 19:20:56

what are ou guys doing over there

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:20:57

hi all

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:21:13

berets!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:21:36

so are political decisions effective ones? i mean you were talking before about how there were so many competing groups in political process and yet theres the sense that you can do anything, so are politics considered ineffective? irrelevant? affecting another sphere or life?

BASEKAMP team: 19:23:55

nice pic nato

Aharon: 19:26:01

is it not capitalism - exactly what u describe?

Aharon: 19:27:48

capitalism is not something organised.. the lack of state power just enables it to get more extreme.. like more extreme difference between rich and poor, etc..

BASEKAMP team: 19:28:04

are these considerations in forming the art academy there

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:29:37

isnt it not the lack of state power, but the lack of a real political sphere (i honestly have no clue what politics actually looks like in beirut)-- if minimal state for neoliberalism is where the main role of government is just military defense/ prisons (and not necessarily the preservation or cultivation of public space)

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:29:45

thats to aharon

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:33:56

yeah, same thing happens on the south side of chicago too! seriously. culture history needs to come from the hands of the makers -- can't agree more

gregory sholette: 19:35:13

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Aharon: 19:37:08

it is a good question, that of the political sphere and power/state-power.. but the point i was trying to make is that via stephen's descriptions it did sound like a very capitalistic place.. (maybe my critique of state-power was too flat and off-the-hip-ish)

Aharon: 19:37:31

(who is speaking now at basekamp??)

BASEKAMP team: 19:38:19

that was Theresa Rose

Aharon: 19:38:59

theresa, you have a new voice fan!

BASEKAMP team: 19:39:13

   

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:39:47

what will be coming out of homeworks? do funders require some kind of publication? is there talk about what that will look like? obviously people are returning to their respective homes like nato said and brinigng somehting with them... but some of that energy goes into the new academy, what do you think is going to come out and are there better or worse things that can be done?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:39:59

cool to hear about texts & maybe even misunderstanding being a place for common ground

gregory sholette: 19:41:01

this is a very capitalist place - the middle east is a very capitalist place, but maybe not the kind of global captialism - or financialized capital - that we are so used to - its a city filled with many small enterprises - but hoping to reach, I suspect, into the global sphere, perhaps in competition with Dubai - which now is positioning itself as the new center of culture in the middle east "post" beirut and cairo - greg

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:42:09

(bracketing my question: we are debating whether and how to do a publication for our recent drift with brian and im honestly curious about the question with respect to circulating concepts and discussions , like right now)

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:42:24

its not a question!

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:42:26

haha

BASEKAMP team: 19:42:49

Lollllllllll

gregory sholette: 19:44:09

there are also many monied classes here - who have always had access to the west in a privileged way - so the question of starting up an art school is always already marked by that class problem - which here in Beirut is also complicated by religion and politics - this small country and city is like a pressure cooker of difference - g.

Aharon: 19:44:36

ok.. that is interesting "global" (dare i say "international") capitalism and it difference with outsider capitalism.. this is kind of having an interesting point re middle east politics/activities and its anachronistic nature visavi european/us perception.. indeed is it not that some of the fascination with mideast in eu/us is that its like a contemporary window into the past..

Aharon: 19:45:10

still fighting in phily..

gregory sholette: 19:45:30

I was born in philly - g

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:45:51

great project

Aharon: 19:45:56

are they contributors, scott? not users..?

BASEKAMP team: 19:46:09

re Sean -- yes

BASEKAMP team: 19:46:31

@ Aharon -- kind of both aren't they? what do you guys think?

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:46:36

yeah i organize d ashow of pad.ma videos here and been in touch with ashok about it..

gregory sholette: 19:46:50

http://pad.ma

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:46:50

sebastian also did textz.com

BASEKAMP team: 19:47:08

apart from the question of whether or not usership is a form of production -- sounds as if there's a more active role

BASEKAMP team: 19:47:22

Sean ++

Aharon: 19:47:32

lol

BASEKAMP team: 19:47:48

we Bet Stephen!

Aharon: 19:48:39

difference..?? pls define..?

gregory sholette: 19:49:16

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Aharon: 19:49:25

u said makes a diff

Aharon: 19:49:35

asked about define

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:50:03

haha

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:50:50

basekamp = you'll have to post all these pix somewhere, I think they're only going to y'all. beirut visitors -- can you quickly talk about the importance or unimportance of collectivism in beirut? I know that's a really large question and maybe not something you can deal with in 10 minutes

BASEKAMP team: 19:50:57

except FBI

Aharon: 19:51:01

lol

Aharon: 19:52:12

immigrate..?

gregory sholette: 19:52:20

difference in a very simple and direct sense: christian right, christian liberals, christian leftists (usually marxists but not stalinist), muslim islamic and more secular fundamental types, and just plain secular types - g

gregory sholette: 19:53:14

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eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:53:29

salem's question?

Aharon: 19:54:13

to greg - these are just groupings that live in there.. not what art(???) does to make a different "difference" in the lebanon..

gregory sholette: 19:54:15

sorry Salem - your question again ( we have only about 5 minutes left on this internet account)

BASEKAMP team: 19:54:39

good timing.. since it's 7:55

gregory sholette: 19:54:59

Not sure what you mean Aharon by your question - can you quickly expand?

gregory sholette: 19:55:37

" these are just groupings that live in there" but this totaly defines the city and the place Aharon

Aharon: 19:55:38

the question is re stephs assertion that "art" makes a "difference" in beirut

gregory sholette: 19:55:54

can't speak for Stephen

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:56:21

I said basically -  quickly talk about the importance or unimportance of collectivism in beirut? I know that's a really large question and maybe not something you can deal with in 10 minutes. So maybe this answers Theresa's ?, it's something to write about

Aharon: 19:56:32

sure they do.  r u saying they grouped via some art project?

BASEKAMP team: 19:56:48

we just emailed you 2 pics Greg

BASEKAMP team: 19:56:54

to you r gmail acct

gregory sholette: 19:56:56

hey Salem - collectivism is here and alive - but not as fluid or informal as in Chicago - g

BASEKAMP team: 19:57:13

well.. there's not an academy there like SAIC yet right??

BASEKAMP team: 19:57:18

Aharon: 19:57:39

what kind of a difference..?

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:57:39

oh lord

gregory sholette: 19:57:44

saic? hardly. its still very formal and rigid according to our local friends - g

BASEKAMP team: 19:57:45

haha

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:58:05

lol

gregory sholette: 19:58:08

so we must say good night - stephen has his last beer

gregory sholette: 19:58:24

so much for collectivism !

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:58:27

hahahaa

eandockray" title="seandockray">Sean Dockray: 19:58:33

thanks all -- was great to hear about this

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:58:52

omg

Aharon: 19:58:57

lol

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:59:02

thanks all

Aharon: 19:59:02

great!

alemcj" title="salemcj">salem collo-julin: 19:59:09

good luck!

Aharon: 19:59:09

thanks!

Meg Frisch: 19:59:13

thank you!

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:16

till next time!

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:41

someone want to play some closing music?

Meg Frisch: 19:59:56

doo doo dooo didlly doo

BASEKAMP team: 20:00:13

da da da

eanstoops" title="seanstoops">Sean Stoops: 20:00:32

oh- good night!

BASEKAMP team: 20:00:57

los

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:00

lol even