Chat History with basekamp/$6eacdf357caaebd4" title="#basekamp/$6eacdf357caaebd4">Teaching Artist Union and School of the Future http://bit.ly/bxh0nd (#basekamp/$6eacdf357caaebd4)

Created on 2010-02-11 08:52:45.

2010-02-09

BASEKAMP team: 17:48:11

http://www.skype.com/go/joinpublicchat?skypename=basekamp&topic=Teaching...

BASEKAMP team: 17:49:24

hello world

BASEKAMP team: 17:56:24

hello chris

Christopher Kennedy: 17:56:36

hello

choenbc" title="schoenbc">schoenbc: 17:56:51

hi

BASEKAMP team: 17:57:11

hey hey hey

Christopher Kennedy: 17:57:27

hello everyone

BASEKAMP team: 17:59:24

hey everyone we'll get started soon, just finishing up w/ tech here in the space

BASEKAMP team: 18:04:50

ok looking good here...

Brett Bloom: 18:10:35

yep

Matthew Slaats: 18:11:48

Did the line just drop out?

stephen wright: 18:12:07

18 inches?

Brett Bloom: 18:12:39

audio just got dropped

stephen wright: 18:12:42

lost

BASEKAMP team: 18:13:17

ugh! hang tight gang

BASEKAMP team: 18:13:20

audio gone

BASEKAMP team: 18:14:03

working on reconnecting gang sorry

stephen wright: 18:14:10

man, it sounds like you're vomiting

stephen wright: 18:14:22

are you okay?

Brett Bloom: 18:14:34

chris and cassie are really space aliens

Christopher Kennedy: 18:15:03

does it sound weird on our end?

stephen wright: 18:15:14

it doesn't sound

BASEKAMP team: 18:15:22

ok, internet cut

BASEKAMP team: 18:15:30

callign back now

atrowbri: 18:16:19

greg, we find your voice SMOOTH

BASEKAMP team: 18:16:44

just a friendly reminder that while Chris & Cassie are talking could you please mute your mics, many thx

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:05

you mean smoove?

Christopher Kennedy: 18:17:37

www.teachingartistunion.org

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:45

BTW, we've muted our audio --- everyone please mute until you want to speak -- thanks!

Christopher Kennedy: 18:18:34

teaching artist?

stephen wright: 18:18:36

Nope

stephen wright: 18:18:38

not yet

atrowbri: 18:19:54

I''ve never heard it

BASEKAMP team: 18:20:09

can you identify yourself before talking, thx

stephen wright: 18:20:23

This is a NYC thing?

stephen wright: 18:20:40

Sorry, don't live there.

Brett Bloom: 18:20:55

there is a similar org in Chicago

Matthew Slaats: 18:21:02

Definitely, I've only seen the word used in NY.

atrowbri: 18:21:23

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_artist

atrowbri: 18:21:29

and on wikipedia

Christopher Kennedy: 18:21:57

http://www.teachingartists.com/

Christopher Kennedy: 18:22:20

http://www.flickr.com/photos/schoolofthefuture/4341520517/

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:03

hi Aryon

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:12

want to be added to the audio ?

Aryon Hoselton: 18:23:14

perfect!

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:23

i think we had the wrong skypename

Aryon Hoselton: 18:23:26

please! i have been so excited about this talk!

Christopher Kennedy: 18:24:49

http://teachingartistunion.org/Documents/PROJECTS/PRAXIS/Institute%20for...

stephen wright: 18:25:11

why should teachers and students get discounts?

atrowbri: 18:25:34

the link doesnt seem to work Chris

Christopher Kennedy: 18:26:19

http://www.artandwork.us/2009/11/teaching-artist-union-card/

BASEKAMP team: 18:26:45

again can you please identify yourselves before you talk, just so everyone knows who is who thanls

Christopher Kennedy: 18:31:47

nyc.thepublicschool.org

BASEKAMP team: 18:32:04

Is there a difference between traching artists and artists who teach?

BASEKAMP team: 18:32:11

oops teaching

BASEKAMP team: 18:33:46

we're all here!

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:34:17

I seem to have lost audio connection

atrowbri: 18:35:17

it's cutting in and out here

BASEKAMP team: 18:37:00

or an Art Teacher?

BASEKAMP team: 18:37:21

david g, you're back in the call right?

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:37:29

yes thanks

BASEKAMP team: 18:38:33

also links to projects?

Christopher Kennedy: 18:39:00

http://www.anothercupdevelopment.org/projects

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:39:34

thank you

Matthew Slaats: 18:40:55

I kind of feel that teaching is a part of being an artist.   Aren't we always trying to inform people about our practice, teaching them about ways of experiencing. Isn't that what teachers do every day in classes?

Matthew Slaats: 18:41:30

Good question?

BASEKAMP team: 18:42:07

uh oh...

stephen wright: 18:42:30

lost you

Matthew Slaats: 18:43:31

I'd be curious to hear about the relationship to the real teachers union?  My guess is that the teaching artist union isn't beheld to standards, which gives them the freedom to pursue new ways of engagement.

stephen wright: 18:43:33

no sound

choenbc" title="schoenbc">schoenbc: 18:43:45

yes

Colin Hart: 18:43:46

i can hear

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:43:57

its ok now

choenbc" title="schoenbc">schoenbc: 18:44:07

its cutting out now

Matthew Slaats: 18:44:10

I was bounced off the call.

atrowbri: 18:45:00

operator, we have been disconnected

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:45:05

the audio has been cut off

Christopher Kennedy: 18:45:10

eek

BASEKAMP team: 18:45:56

w00t!

BASEKAMP team: 18:47:24

anyone still left out of the call?

Brett Bloom: 18:47:32

yep

Colin Hart: 18:47:55

here

Colin Hart: 18:47:59

as well

Brett Bloom: 18:48:01

thanks

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:48:17

how would you define an artist in the first place?

BASEKAMP team: 18:48:19

brett, cassie was just answering the question that Gerard asked

Brett Bloom: 18:48:28

ok. thanks

BASEKAMP team: 18:48:39

"what do artists bring to pedagody?"

BASEKAMP team: 18:48:42

paraphrased

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:49:04

what has metaphysics got to do with anything?

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:12

what are artists' competencies - what do we "know"?

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:35

and how does that translate to autonomouse knowledge production?

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:50

Diana has a Q here

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:55

btw...

Matthew Slaats: 18:50:27

Do you guys know about the Institute of Play?

BASEKAMP team: 18:50:29

also henken has a Question here too

atrowbri: 18:52:31

Are you guys familiar with Albert Cullum?  http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/touchofgreatness/teacher.html

stephen wright: 18:53:13

You guys really seem to believe in art! Like it could change the world. Isn't that pretty 20th century?

Christopher Kennedy: 18:53:30

www.schoolofthefuture.org

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:53:54

Thats what i sense

Christopher Kennedy: 18:54:35

http://www.flickr.com/photos/schoolofthefuture/4341523373/

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:54:44

that there is a danger of conveying the same errors and problems presented by Beuys

Christopher Kennedy: 18:55:15

http://schoolofthefuture.org/index.php?/site-sgt-doug/video-of-the-park/

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:55:51

What happens if there is no such thing as the artist?

BASEKAMP team: 18:56:11

A Q from someone here: "How important is the process vs product of teaching artists?"

Christopher Kennedy: 18:56:36

process is key!

stephen wright: 18:56:37

In what way is it the school of the future? Rather than the school of the past? Not in terms of the status of the artist which you seem to endorse?

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 18:58:30

so art becomes even more totalising than it already is?

stephen wright: 18:59:09

"art as a vehicle to learn everything else." that's a pretty strong statement.

stephen wright: 19:00:05

Why aren't you more sceptical about art?

choenbc" title="schoenbc">schoenbc: 19:00:19

Is it/how is it different than a simple "hands on" learning technique

Christopher Kennedy: 19:00:21

art world vs. education world vs. art education world

Christopher Kennedy: 19:02:32

school is the joke everyone gets

Christopher Kennedy: 19:08:26

http://schoolofthefuture.org/demonstrationdistrict/

BASEKAMP team: 19:10:21

So then really, the SotF is the school of today?

BASEKAMP team: 19:10:30

sounds like a Scientology hook

stephen wright: 19:11:35

how is one to acknowledge the specifity of art without implicitly according it a special status, a special privilege?

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:11:52

Isnt the idea of any teaching of art to question the very basis & foundations of art rather than perpetuate its myths?

BASEKAMP team: 19:12:06

So after Henken's question -- stephen has a question next in queue

BASEKAMP team: 19:12:39

then David G has a Q after that...

Christopher Kennedy: 19:14:40

communities of practice - etienne wegner

stephen wright: 19:18:13

All artists say that!

stephen wright: 19:22:55

More broadly, do you see that teaching-art is a new paradigm of art-doing?

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:23:03

There is a problem at the moment with the consolidation of  bourgeoise culture and this conversation seems to perpetuate this dilema

stephen wright: 19:23:18

What some people have called the "pedagogical turn" in art doing?

George W. Johnson: 19:23:19

without art there is no education.!

BASEKAMP team: 19:30:01

Adam are you still with us?  What do your students think? Any ?s from them?

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:31:27

the sound is breaking up

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:31:43

yes

George W. Johnson: 19:31:43

yes!

BASEKAMP team: 19:31:45

uh oh

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:31:52

no

BASEKAMP team: 19:31:53

working on it

Christopher Kennedy: 19:32:12

i think were ready to wrap things up here -

Christopher Kennedy: 19:33:08

http://schoolofthefuture.org/demonstrationdistrict/

Christopher Kennedy: 19:34:14

http://www.flickr.com/photos/evilarchitexture/4141511497/

Christopher Kennedy: 19:34:56

www.bhqfu.org

BASEKAMP team: 19:35:25

we're looking @ your flag now

BASEKAMP team: 19:35:42

link to wiki?

Christopher Kennedy: 19:36:07

http://schoolofthefuture.org/index.php?/artist-run-school-database/

BASEKAMP team: 19:37:12

http://www.fundred.org/

BASEKAMP team: 19:37:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV71FeUgFjk

BASEKAMP team: 19:44:35

Thanks all!!!

stephen wright: 19:44:38

Thanks so much!

BASEKAMP team: 19:44:45

Thanks Chris & Cassie!!!

stephen wright: 19:44:53

Teaching artists of the world unite!

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:45:14

ok thank so much

choenbc" title="schoenbc">schoenbc: 19:45:31

thanks

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:45:37

yep

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:46:16

the sound is gone

ost-autonomy" title="post-autonomy">post-autonomy: 19:46:43

so maybe this is a good time to say good night