Chat History with basekamp/$5d6503f28614ee85" title="#basekamp/$5d6503f28614ee85">Machine Project http://basekamp.com/about/events/machine-project (#basekamp/$5d6503f28614ee85)

Created on 2010-06-01 20:28:55.

2010-06-01

michael g bauer: 19:23:16

audi dropped out again for me

BASEKAMP team: 19:23:55

in fact our skype quit on us again!

mark allen: 19:24:01

by michael

mark allen: 19:24:03

bye

BASEKAMP team: 19:24:06

ther's some talk here abou tmaybe the weather is the culprit

mark allen: 19:24:08

sorry we couldnt chat more

Elysa Lozano: 19:24:27

bye

mary ruth walsh: 19:24:38

all the best, late one here, good night

BASEKAMP team: 19:24:45

goodnight mary ruth

stephen wright: 19:24:53

are we ending?

BASEKAMP team: 19:25:07

we don;t need to end yet - for our part anyway

mark allen: 19:25:28

i can keep going

mark allen: 19:25:44

its difficult to talk about any ideas with this constant break down tho

BASEKAMP team: 19:25:44

we'l just call u guys back - whoever wants to will pick up  

michael g bauer: 19:26:00

hey!

amara: 19:26:38

yes

mark allen: 19:27:01

micahel where are you these days?

michael g bauer: 19:27:37

i'm in philly

michael g bauer: 19:27:39

funny enough

stephen wright: 19:28:58

Mark do you ever schedule / curate / offer crash courses in things like art theory?

BASEKAMP team: 19:29:07

hi5 mark!

mary ruth walsh: 19:29:32

Scot, thanks for including me, great to keep touching base. Hope all well with  you and yours? Have a residencty in IMMA Dublin for 6 months in 2011, so if your in Dublin then let me know. All the best.

BASEKAMP team: 19:29:43

you too mary ruth!

stephen wright: 19:30:42

is there audio?

mark allen: 19:31:17

http://www.flickr.com/photos/machineproject/sets/72157605433605084/

mark allen: 19:31:31

http://www.flickr.com/photos/machineproject/2658579027/in/set-7215760543...

stephen wright: 19:32:03

I'm not quite sure what' s happening -- if anything is.

mark allen: 19:32:05

http://www.flickr.com/photos/machineproject/3261445316/in/set-7215760543...

BASEKAMP team: 19:32:11

oh yeah, we added an image of that to our webpage

BASEKAMP team: 19:32:19

++

stephen wright: 19:32:21

OK good pictures

mark allen: 19:32:29

http://www.flickr.com/photos/machineproject/3384408392/in/set-7215760543...

mark allen: 19:32:44

http://www.flickr.com/photos/machineproject/3422719670/in/set-7215760543...

mark allen: 19:33:09

http://machineproject.com/shop/lacmabook/

BASEKAMP team: 19:33:43

if everyone tries downloadign that book now skype wil barf on us again

michael g bauer: 19:33:45

fun!

BASEKAMP team: 19:34:23

amara: 19:34:25

hi mark, a question: you mentioned that one of your goals is to help people build tools for production; i am interested in learning more about how you practically do this; how are your strategies different or similar to other education models?

BASEKAMP team: 19:37:26

gotcha

stephen wright: 19:37:45

is there audio? I sure don't have any

BASEKAMP team: 19:38:16

patricia we'll call you to add u to the conference call

stephen wright: 19:38:24

add me too please

BASEKAMP team: 19:38:43

patricia can you turn your status to "available"?

BASEKAMP team: 19:39:38

worked

BASEKAMP team: 19:39:45

anyone else get dropp'd?

Patricia Watts: 19:39:49

TY

stephen wright: 19:40:22

eating machines

BASEKAMP team: 19:41:31

BASEKAMP team: 19:41:47

"if you go hunting you want to eat the entire enimal... i kind of feel that way about our space"

mark allen: 19:42:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXToxbK_RU

mark allen: 19:42:15

donation machine

mark allen: 19:42:27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auL3zESxRSM

mark allen: 19:42:29

bookstore

mark allen: 19:43:51

http://machineproject.com/shop/lacmabook/

BASEKAMP team: 19:44:13

mmm books....

stephen wright: 19:44:26

other machines

michael g bauer: 19:45:13

maybe we can hear just a bit about the future of machine -- five years ten years down the road

mark allen: 19:45:16

more videos of machine

mark allen: 19:45:17

http://www.vimeo.com/machineproject/videos

mark allen: 19:45:24

hey michael

mark allen: 19:45:27

no idea

mark allen: 19:45:33

letting it happen organically

michael g bauer: 19:45:44

totally

stephen wright: 19:45:50

I think your course line up is great and am fascinated by the idea of conceptual folk knowledge practice!

Patricia Watts: 19:45:54

is this discussion recorded?

mark allen: 19:46:21

more videos here

mark allen: 19:46:22

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos

BASEKAMP team: 19:46:55

cool yeah

mark allen: 19:47:01

unstream live feed and archived events

mark allen: 19:47:02

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/machineprojectnow

Patricia Watts: 19:47:04

Just met with Dale Dougherty this afternoon and had a discussion about making and art. He really struggles with the combination of the two. How do you Mark reconcile this?

mark allen: 19:47:17

dale is a really lovely guy

stephen wright: 19:47:17

They save automatically

mark allen: 19:47:31

i think they are related activities

mark allen: 19:47:36

but have different goals

Patricia Watts: 19:47:46

It is hard for him to see "non art" fitting in a gallery setting.

mark allen: 19:47:54

well

stephen wright: 19:47:57

you can save them AS something, but otherwise they just archive

stephen wright: 19:48:00

OK I will

mark allen: 19:48:02

im not sure what non art is

Patricia Watts: 19:48:08

It's not 8pm yet!!!!

mark allen: 19:48:16

i see art as the space in our culture for experimenting with ideas

stephen wright: 19:48:43

sure

Patricia Watts: 19:48:49

OK

michael g bauer: 19:48:50

sounds good.  thanks

amara: 19:48:54

yes

stephen wright: 19:49:01

I see 15 people

stephen wright: 19:49:28

Thanks Mark!

mark allen: 19:49:33

ok

mark allen: 19:49:34

still here

BASEKAMP team: 19:49:43

yes there are 15 people on text - and were 7 on audio - so text is probably a good way to go for now!

Patricia Watts: 19:49:43

Mark, do you think it takes away from the maker to have their work looked at through the lens of art?

mark allen: 19:49:55

patricia

mark allen: 19:49:59

not really

mark allen: 19:50:07

i think we can think of art

mark allen: 19:50:12

not in terms of materials or practices

mark allen: 19:50:15

but as a lens

Patricia Watts: 19:50:18

I'm trying to understand his hestiation, it comes up every time we talk

mark allen: 19:50:19

to look at what humans do

mark allen: 19:50:36

so

mark allen: 19:50:40

we can look at making

mark allen: 19:50:48

from an economic perspective

Patricia Watts: 19:50:51

Yes!

mark allen: 19:50:56

or as a form of social philosophy

mark allen: 19:50:57

etc

Patricia Watts: 19:50:59

We talked about that

Patricia Watts: 19:51:17

making as a response to economic survival

Patricia Watts: 19:52:04

however, for the MASSES, how does exhibiting this work in a gallery or museum context give it more or less value?

mark allen: 19:52:17

huh

mark allen: 19:52:26

well by definition

mark allen: 19:52:34

putting something in a museum context

mark allen: 19:52:44

gives the work a value in that context?

Patricia Watts: 19:52:54

the art audience is small, the making audience, hopefully bigger than the art world

mark allen: 19:52:56

i guess it depends on how the masses feel about museums

michael g bauer: 19:53:15

i was interested in what you said about bringing intimacy into institutional settings

mark allen: 19:53:16

when i lived in houston

mark allen: 19:53:21

the fine arts museum

mark allen: 19:53:28

did a show of props from star wars

mark allen: 19:53:40

im not sure that made the public think any less of star wars

Patricia Watts: 19:54:44

hmmmm

Patricia Watts: 19:54:57

thinking

mark allen: 19:55:38

patricia, i dont think the making audience is bigger that the art world

stephen wright: 19:55:46

Well, I knew this house painter in Houston whose painting outfit was also a conceptual art project . But he rarely told his customers that because he knew that they would think they were paying more for the job -- which was not the case. His point was that art was a thing often removed from daily life for many people. Though his point was to counter that.

Patricia Watts: 19:55:50

How about this perspective, do you think machine project would be of more value to society if it were an official technical school with thousands of students?

mark allen: 19:55:54

hey stephen

mark allen: 19:55:58

bernard brunon

mark allen: 19:56:01

good friend of mine

stephen wright: 19:56:03

great artist

stephen wright: 19:56:06

mine too

mark allen: 19:56:13

small world

mark allen: 19:56:17

he lives in la now

mark allen: 19:56:19

patricia

stephen wright: 19:56:21

so I hear

mark allen: 19:56:31

not sure that translates

mark allen: 19:56:52

machine attempts to create a space for an alternative community

mark allen: 19:56:59

which is diverse in interests

mark allen: 19:57:02

so that includes making stuff

BASEKAMP team: 19:57:06

sounds like it!

mark allen: 19:57:07

but also reading poetry

mark allen: 19:57:10

making pickles

mark allen: 19:57:14

going to museum

mark allen: 19:57:15

s

mark allen: 19:57:20

learning about science

mark allen: 19:57:25

at the core

Patricia Watts: 19:57:34

community

Patricia Watts: 19:57:45

small machine

mark allen: 19:57:51

what is the nature of this experience we are going through as people

mark allen: 19:58:02

to be addressed in as many ways as possible

mark allen: 19:58:15

poetry > science > food > technology

mark allen: 19:58:24

all about what is reality

mark allen: 19:58:33

and how do we experience it with each other

mark allen: 19:58:41

not to get too big picture!

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:04

so we have a dilemma - wan to help solve it?

mark allen: 19:59:22

sure

mark allen: 19:59:32

although im more into questions than answers

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:33

there's this project called F.E.A.S.T. (inspired by inCUBATE's Sunday Soup)

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:54

Funding Emerging Arts with Sustainable Tactics

BASEKAMP team: 19:59:56

anwyays

mark allen: 19:59:57

yeah awesome project

BASEKAMP team: 20:00:32

they are workign with some of us here in philly to start a Philly version

BASEKAMP team: 20:00:49

theere's a decision to change the name

mark allen: 20:00:49

cool

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:00

what should it change to?

michael g bauer: 20:01:08

eat

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:27

but it has to be COMPLETELY ORIGINAL

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:30

(kidding)

mark allen: 20:01:36

woah

mark allen: 20:01:39

no thanks

BASEKAMP team: 20:01:44

lol

mark allen: 20:01:45

naming is the hardest thing

mark allen: 20:01:49

in the world!

BASEKAMP team: 20:03:00

how about Rotisserie

BASEKAMP team: 20:03:18

this can be our mascott http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bursa8.JPG

mark allen: 20:03:28

great

mark allen: 20:03:31

do that

BASEKAMP team: 20:03:49

how about "head on a pike"

BASEKAMP team: 20:03:52

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/X-Day98/POST-X-DAY/X-DayPh...

BASEKAMP team: 20:04:22

or Scraps

michael g bauer: 20:04:37

grub

BASEKAMP team: 20:04:41

short for Philly's famous "Scrapple" meat inspired product: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple

BASEKAMP team: 20:05:09

REcepie Box

BASEKAMP team: 20:05:27

Scrapple (Pennsylvania Dutch) is traditionally a mush of pork scraps and trimmings combined with cornmeal and flour, often buckwheat flour, and spices.

BASEKAMP team: 20:06:02

L.O.A.F.

BASEKAMP team: 20:06:23

S.L.I.C.E.

BASEKAMP team: 20:06:43

P.I.E.C.E.

BASEKAMP team: 20:06:57

ok guys, we've totally derailed your conversation

mark allen: 20:07:06

yup!

amara: 20:07:08

well I like feast, why the name change....anyway, mark you have a background as an artist, do you consider what you are doing now a continuation of your art practice, or something different?

mark allen: 20:07:22

same thing, different material

stephen wright: 20:07:38

anyway, thanks mark, it's late in these parts.

stephen wright: 20:07:40

good night

mark allen: 20:07:41

as a studio artist i was interested in making representations of my interior subjectivity

mark allen: 20:07:45

now im more info

mark allen: 20:07:54

creating an exterior life

mark allen: 20:08:00

good night stephen

Patricia Watts: 20:08:26

Gotta run. I'm curating a MAKE:CRAFT show at Otis College of Art and Design, Ben Maltz Gallery, opens Oct. 4th. Garnet Hertz, Frau Fiber, David Prince, Kim Abeles, Seth Kinmont, Jonah Brucker-Cohen, Mark Newport, Eddo Stern, The Crank Ensemble, and more!!!

BASEKAMP team: 20:08:36

night stephen!

mark allen: 20:08:39

cool have fund

mark allen: 20:08:40

fun

BASEKAMP team: 20:08:40

and P

michael g bauer: 20:10:49

thank you everyone.   i enjoyed the conversation

mark allen: 20:11:02

by michael

michael g bauer: 20:11:08

bye

BASEKAMP team: 20:11:25

bi!

mark allen: 20:12:40

ok anyone else?

mark allen: 20:12:43

got anything ?

BASEKAMP team: 20:12:51

bring it!

BASEKAMP team: 20:13:05

srsly thx for joining us last minute for a chat

mark allen: 20:13:26

sure

mark allen: 20:13:31

that was fun

amara: 20:14:09

thanks mark + basekamp!

mark allen: 20:14:15

bye all

BASEKAMP team: 20:14:18

yeah, you're totally welcome to coem back - we do this each week ---

BASEKAMP team: 20:14:29

also, we'll have to check ya in LA when we get there again