Chat History with basekamp/$5cc776c9b0b96db8" title="#basekamp/$5cc776c9b0b96db8">Design Studio for Social Intervention http://tinyurl.com/25tjetq (#basekamp/$5cc776c9b0b96db

Created on 2010-07-06 20:09:17.

2010-07-06

 

BASEKAMP team: 17:58:29

so stacy, once we call, there will be a popup call window in skype. In the lower left corner, there are two buttons - one is a pause '||' button, and the other is a mic with a crossed out circle. The mic is the mute button

BASEKAMP team: 17:59:20

hello everyone - we'll be starting in a few minutes

tacyswitzer" title="stacyswitzer">Stacy Switzer: 17:59:56

got it. thanks!

BASEKAMP team: 18:06:22

jonathan, if you're on #basekamp IRC, do you want to relay things back & forth a bit as people comment? we can't rally do both in the space here because of the projector

Jonathan Wagener: 18:06:35

yeah

Jonathan Wagener: 18:06:38

i can try

Jonathan Wagener: 18:06:40

Guy Loraine: 18:06:45

hello we are here... uarts crowd

Jonathan Wagener: 18:07:07

hello

BASEKAMP team: 18:12:11

hi everyone. How's the weather where you are?

stephen wright: 18:12:51

weather's cool, warm

Jonathan Wagener: 18:13:02

cold

lindsey baker: 18:13:10

100 degress in philly

stephen wright: 18:13:29

cold?

tacyswitzer" title="stacyswitzer">Stacy Switzer: 18:13:36

muggy in creepy kansas city

stephen wright: 18:13:37

you in alaska

Jonathan Wagener: 18:13:41

cape town is about 11C

Jonathan Wagener: 18:13:49

no cape town, south africa

stephen wright: 18:14:03

uruguay just lost to holland

Jonathan Wagener: 18:14:11

yup

stephen wright: 18:14:27

your hemisphere is out -- i am pissed

Jonathan Wagener: 18:14:41

oh

Jonathan Wagener: 18:14:47

uruguay are cheats!

stephen wright: 18:15:03

ghana, argentina, uruguay, paraguay, brazil -- out

stephen wright: 18:15:06

cheats?

stephen wright: 18:15:10

dude!

stephen wright: 18:16:29

where's the cheating? Europe has the draw power for the southern players, then they have to play for home as if we were still in the 70s

Jonathan Wagener: 18:16:49

uruguay cheated in the ghana game

Jonathan Wagener: 18:16:54

with the hand ball

Jonathan Wagener: 18:17:07

ghana deserved to go through

stephen wright: 18:17:12

yes

BASEKAMP team: 18:17:44

so guys, does anyone have a preference about whether you'd like to talk with audio, or stick with text?

stephen wright: 18:17:49

but beyond that -- I mean it's a sport! It's also political!

Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:04

yeah i know. politics kill the game :/

Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:07

i can only do text tonight

lindsey baker: 18:18:08

i like text

Guy Loraine: 18:18:18

i like sound

stephen wright: 18:18:27

Politics gives it its significance

Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:36

yeah

Jonathan Wagener: 18:18:39

but it also makes it boring

stephen wright: 18:18:50

no, come on!

BASEKAMP team: 18:18:59

i know there are a few of you @ UArts today - how are you guys doing?

Guy Loraine: 18:19:04

The group here wants audio, just sayin

Erica Bertke: 18:19:17

doing great

lindsey baker: 18:19:30

fine here

stephen wright: 18:19:33

Paraguay / Spain was a great game

BASEKAMP team: 18:19:33

mm kay well, we can do both. People who like text , and even people on audio, can do both

Guy Loraine: 18:19:43

6 of us at room 200

stephen wright: 18:19:56

but ya gotta admit, Paraguay should have won on political grounds

stephen wright: 18:20:17

or else we scrap the north /south thing

Erica Bertke: 18:20:17

don't really follow futbol

Jonathan Wagener: 18:20:22

paraguay?

stephen wright: 18:20:42

yeah, remember that place?

Jonathan Wagener: 18:20:51

hehehe. yeah

stephen wright: 18:20:54

miniscule country

Jonathan Wagener: 18:20:59

haha

stephen wright: 18:21:16

I wanted ghana to win -- obvio!

Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:34

the whole of africa wanted ghana to win

Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:40

meh :/

stephen wright: 18:21:40

byut now I want to stop Germany

Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:48

no germany must win

Jonathan Wagener: 18:21:53

they play awesomely

stephen wright: 18:21:57

AÏ

Jonathan Wagener: 18:22:02

would be nice if the dutch get to the final tho

stephen wright: 18:22:02

true

stephen wright: 18:22:19

beautiful non-signature plays

stephen wright: 18:22:21

true

Jonathan Wagener: 18:22:27

yah

stephen wright: 18:22:55

you're right! They set the example

Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:00

yeah

BASEKAMP team: 18:23:07

so we're about to place a call - if ayone wants to join please do... if not, jsut ignore the call from us and we'll keep texting

stephen wright: 18:23:18

But they're from the NORTH

Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:21

all the celebrity teams have been a cop out

Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:40

yah, but there are no more southern teams left

stephen wright: 18:23:40

Paraguay and Ghana were pretty hot

Meg Frisch: 18:23:42

great

Jonathan Wagener: 18:23:55

yes

stephen wright: 18:24:01

Football, Meg!

BASEKAMP team: 18:24:20

lol

BASEKAMP team: 18:25:12

http://tinyurl.com/25tjetq

Jonathan Wagener: 18:26:27

scott your site is still lop sided

stephen wright: 18:26:50

Like the FIFA world cup

Jonathan Wagener: 18:26:54

lol

Jonathan Wagener: 18:27:02

the leaning site of philly

Jonathan Wagener: 18:27:04

hehe

BASEKAMP team: 18:29:39

here's their website: http://www.ds4si.org

Guy Loraine: 18:31:01

we got dropped  

BASEKAMP team: 18:31:38

will add you again

Nick Hanford: 18:31:54

has the audio started?

Guy Loraine: 18:31:57

thanks

BASEKAMP team: 18:33:23

ye - we'll add you again Nick

Nick Hanford: 18:33:41

thanks!

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:34:04

waves.

BASEKAMP team: 18:34:49

np  ]

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:35:01

is Asheesh. psst, I want the microphone for a sec.

BASEKAMP team: 18:36:53

it is clear! strangely... let's see what it's like when we call DS4SI's mobule phone  

Guy Loraine: 18:39:49

we lost ya again

Guy Loraine: 18:41:48

you hoo?

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:42:21

ho ho ho

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:15

oh hey - will add you again

BASEKAMP team: 18:43:45

LOLs "the universe in it's early days"

Guy Loraine: 18:43:48

thanks

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:44:00

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper932/stills/4075cf3ab3ec3-85... is our flamingos

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:44:06

But moreover, how early is early?

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:44:18

It's okay to have photon pictures from, like, when there *were* photos! A few weeks in, say.

BASEKAMP team: 18:45:08

well, the will actaully be available in 15 mins - we'l be calling them

BASEKAMP team: 18:45:50

brb...

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:46:34

So what interests me is the idea of "intervention".

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:15

that's all i have to say, so I stopped talking

stephen wright: 18:48:36

How the Design Studio works: A Case Study on Art and Activism
During the summer of 2009, the Design Studio worked
with youth activists and over 150 young people in the
Roxbury and Dorchester neighborhoods of Boston to
imagine new ways to address social or “horizontal” violence among youth in these neighborhoods. In
conjunction with our Artist-in-Residence, Judith
Leemann, we decided to intervene in the social practice of
“the grill” (where two peers catch eyes and assume
animosity, often leading to threats or actual violence.) We
wanted to play with how the grill demands the grill as
response, instantly creating a narrow space of on-edge
intensity and aggression. In that moment, all that matters
is what the grill says matters. We felt that anything we
could do to connect the grill to something else would
make it more difficult for the grill to be its greedy self.
The grill caught our attention because in our methodology for designing social interventions we
look for an entry point, a less explored angle with potential to interrupt social problems. Here was a
simple gesture that functioned on a symbolic level to epitomize a system where violence could start
over nothing more than “she looked at me wrong”, but also how the nothing was everything, their
very reputation and safety being on the line in the instant of response. So the grill was symbolic, but
also a literal act that we could point to, play with and make strange. Our interventions were aimed at
surreptitiously messing with the power of the grill. As one player said after our “Grill Game”,
“Damn, now I’m gonna smile every time I try to grill someone.”

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:37

What they call the ____ -- did you say "grip"?

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:45

dairy and gluten in the pie, fwiw

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:48:46

and eggs.

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:37

reading...

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:49:43

So this is what we were trying to target with our flamingos <http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2004/04/0... -- walking across the quad was our "grill".

BASEKAMP team: 18:49:51

–O-O–

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:50:19

I don't quite get what the grill game was that they played, but I guess I can find that online.

lindsey baker: 18:50:34

basekamp, call me back

BASEKAMP team: 18:50:47

calling...

lindsey baker: 18:50:57

thanks!

BASEKAMP team: 18:51:27

nprob

BASEKAMP team: 18:52:02

hi Jessica!

Jessica Westbrook: 18:53:10

hi hi

BASEKAMP team: 18:53:17

they also have a blog, which lists various projects http://www.ds4si.org/blog/

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:54:38

Is "hackerspaces" and "open source" a meta-artworld? I'm not sure I understand what would qualify.

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:54:44

(each one, a different meta-artworld)

Jessica Westbrook: 18:55:21

are the guests already on? sorry i'm all out of sorts

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:55:29

no guests yet, at 7 PM

Jessica Westbrook: 18:55:34

oh cool

stephen wright: 18:56:26

good question. Paul. but when the defining features are singular enough, then we might talk about an art "world"

Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:34

what from underground?

Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:42

scott your conf ref

BASEKAMP team: 18:57:52

the city from below i meant

Jessica Westbrook: 18:57:59

thanks

BASEKAMP team: 18:58:55

true

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:59:27

I didn't understand that last bit about "mainstream"...

stephen wright: 18:59:45

there is a mainstream

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 18:59:51

well yeah, I just missed some of the words somehow

BASEKAMP team: 19:03:25

http://www.avam.org/

BASEKAMP team: 19:04:00

this isn't ousider art only, is it?

BASEKAMP team: 19:04:19

"outsider"

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:04:44

AVAM is about art "inside" the people's heads, but the people are seen as "outsiders", meaning "not in the mainstream."

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:04:57

But our art worlds that we discuss here are "not in the mainstream" too!

Guy Loraine: 19:05:19

depends who is on the inside and defining the ousider.

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:05:51

Well, the thing about AVAM is that for all the artists involved, it's work reflecting their internal state. (Blake or other can correct this, since they've actually been!)

stephen wright: 19:05:53

no

stephen wright: 19:06:19

yes

Guy Loraine: 19:09:06

What about parallel worlds created on line such as SecondLife?

Guy Loraine: 19:09:45

ahh crap, we got dropped again.

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:10:24

Could you add csetlow too?

Guy Loraine: 19:10:43

thanks

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:13:06

I like how csetlow has a moon next to his name, as if it's night-time for him.

Erica Bertke: 19:15:24

yup still here

Jessica Westbrook: 19:16:04

BASEKAMP team: 19:16:15

LOLs

Jessica Westbrook: 19:16:15

Meg Frisch: 19:16:17

lols !

BASEKAMP team: 19:16:29

it's so hot i forgot to drink this ice cold beer

Erica Bertke: 19:16:32

i am very interested in their idea of social change via art - most experiences with it we are familiar with are community art groups/places for art classes etc. and this sounds quite a bit different

Meg Frisch: 19:16:37

oop

Meg Frisch: 19:16:44

⪃.⨀ེ_⨀ེ.⪄ ⪃.⨀ེ_⨀ེ.⪄

Erica Bertke: 19:16:54

and intriguing

BASEKAMP team: 19:17:00

for sure

Jessica Westbrook: 19:17:49

i'm reading their site

Erica Bertke: 19:18:07

it osunds more like its interactive with the entire community and not just those who choose to come to an art community or events

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:18:16

Yeah, that's the joy of the intervention idea!

Erica Bertke: 19:19:21

i am curious to hear what some of the social intervention affects (positive i assume they are looking for) from the work they do

Erica Bertke: 19:19:35

you mean peta like the art based ads making social/political statements?

Guy Loraine: 19:19:56

we got dropped again!

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:19:57

zing! wrong time zon.es

Jessica Westbrook: 19:21:00

re: DS4SI

Jessica Westbrook: 19:21:16

they hostt? or initiate projects?

Jessica Westbrook: 19:21:18

both?

Meg Frisch: 19:21:53

ˆ–¡º•º¡–ˆ

Meg Frisch: 19:22:13

£–¢–º–¢–£

Jessica Westbrook: 19:22:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yZFbzaWbg

Meg Frisch: 19:22:21

™

Meg Frisch: 19:22:54

lols!

BASEKAMP team: 19:23:58

NSFW

Jessica Westbrook: 19:24:05

natural

Meg Frisch: 19:24:19

naturally satisfying for wildlife

Guy Loraine: 19:24:31

Scott could you add us back?

BASEKAMP team: 19:29:03

there you are

Erica Bertke: 19:30:33

pittsburgh is also a city of murals and i would have to say that some of them are very good for the community - i.e. it prompts a garden plot on the vacant lot adjacent the mural turning the space from something degraded and un-cared for to a "safe place" so to speak

BASEKAMP team: 19:31:13

http://www.mightywriters.org/

BASEKAMP team: 19:31:28

Erica for sure

Erica Bertke: 19:32:16

asheville has an arts-literacy program through the asheville arts museum that does similar things to what it seems mighty writers does

Jessica Westbrook: 19:33:52

ahhh

Guy Loraine: 19:34:26

still not hearing anything but wanted to suggest a book by Anne Whiston Spirn called the Language of Landscape in which she discusses the process of students working with gardening communities here in Philly and how the process worked and did not work.

Erica Bertke: 19:35:13

perhaps - but not all are related/supported/funded by the government at all

BASEKAMP team: 19:36:04

guilt relief is what that argument says these projects might be doing

BASEKAMP team: 19:36:44

Guy we'll call you back. your line keeps dropping - please just keep telling us when taht happens

Jessica Westbrook: 19:36:56

education is a way in

Jessica Westbrook: 19:37:02

educators...

Guy Loraine: 19:37:05

is there still an audio conversation going on?  Thanks

Jessica Westbrook: 19:37:07

informing

BASEKAMP team: 19:37:10

yes

Erica Bertke: 19:37:12

but how do you know you are not addressing a larger situation, i.e. influencing the lives of children who are participating in art of some kind which prompts their self-esteem to rise and can influence their lives to move in a direction it might not otherwise have gone.  i know it sounds naive, but i have witnessed it personally so it does in fact happen

BASEKAMP team: 19:37:58

Erica - yes - would you like to say this outloud? or would you rather we just address it

Jessica Westbrook: 19:38:15

yes erica - teaching risk and confidence

Jessica Westbrook: 19:38:25

is proactive

Erica Bertke: 19:38:35

you can address it  - a lot of residual noise where we are

Jessica Westbrook: 19:39:17

teaching kids to apply this behavior in alt scenarios is awesome

Jessica Westbrook: 19:40:24

consumer guilt makes small impact

Jessica Westbrook: 19:40:32

compared to corporate

Jessica Westbrook: 19:40:38

junk

aulproteus" title="paulproteus">paulproteus: 19:41:31

(that's why art students go on to work in advertising, right?)

Jessica Westbrook: 19:42:06

ya art so powerful

Guy Loraine: 19:42:43

FYI    http://www.vsarts.org/

BASEKAMP team: 19:43:26

LOLs indeed

BASEKAMP team: 19:43:35

then again, who makes thos films?

BASEKAMP team: 19:43:39

art students!

Jessica Westbrook: 19:43:45

corporations

Erica Bertke: 19:44:21

well, we're curious what is a better solution than small movements of change - and is this how ds4si plays a role in greater change?  we are having difficulty quite understanding what they do.

Jessica Westbrook: 19:44:30

those industry creative teams and teams and teams... make very few decisions

Guy Loraine: 19:45:49

That's how most people live.

Jessica Westbrook: 19:45:53

we tried to bring it to a small town

Guy Loraine: 19:47:01

Jessica,  Where was this taking place?

Erica Bertke: 19:47:54

jessica - could you explain a little bit better what you did - i.e. what "plausible artworkd" meant for that situation in chattanooga

Guy Loraine: 19:47:54

we lost our connection again.

BASEKAMP team: 19:47:56

Erica, im not backpeddaling, but take what i'm saying with a grain of salt -- this is a perspective that exists, and something (from my point of view anyway) to consider -- it's not an argument that tries to preclude any form of social practice or "community" practice by artists

Guy Loraine: 19:48:43

Thanks

Erica Bertke: 19:48:45

it is good to hear other perspectives, it makes you re-evaluate how you do your own work in a positive way

BASEKAMP team: 19:49:52

did anyone else get dropped from the call?

Erica Bertke: 19:50:01

yup

Guy Loraine: 19:50:08

yes from multiple spots

Erica Bertke: 19:50:14

still on call

BASEKAMP team: 19:50:21

kewl

Jessica Westbrook: 19:51:30

(adam here) also we take no credit for the approach, it was straight from bell hooks and paulo fierere

Erica Bertke: 19:51:52

jessica - were the kids participating openly and would you consider it to be a success, if so how?

Jessica Westbrook: 19:52:16

it was a good class, the students called it "detox"

Erica Bertke: 19:52:22

lol

Jessica Westbrook: 19:52:54

night class, food, team taught, ell family taught - we had our son there too... it became its own community

Erica Bertke: 19:53:11

because they don't get many opportunities to participate in things like that probably

Jessica Westbrook: 19:53:46

not in edu there

Erica Bertke: 19:54:21

how did you market/advertise it to get people to show up?

Jessica Westbrook: 19:54:38

it was a credit course, special topics, undergrad

Jessica Westbrook: 19:54:43

we had full enrollment

Jessica Westbrook: 19:54:54

blogged and facebooked, word of mouth invite too

Jessica Westbrook: 19:55:17

i think it intimidated our colleagues

Erica Bertke: 19:55:35

sounds cool

Jessica Westbrook: 19:55:40

so it was just students, and a few friends of the students

BASEKAMP team: 19:55:47

again, i'm not saying don't give money to homeless people

BASEKAMP team: 19:55:51

!

BASEKAMP team: 19:56:55

we're talking about individually funded projects vs socialized projects

Jessica Westbrook: 19:59:45

nice chatting all over teh place tonight

Guy Loraine: 20:00:09

Thanks Scott

Erica Bertke: 20:00:14

thanks!

Jessica Westbrook: 20:00:19

csetlow: 20:00:20

Bye everybody & thanks!

BASEKAMP team: 20:00:43

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